A Conversation on the Healing Power of Dance Music

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[00:00:00] Intro Theme (Music by Danya Vodovoz)
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[00:00:30] Introduction and Welcome
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DJ Sir Daniel: Welcome back to another episode of Queue Points podcast. I am DJ Sir Daniel.

Jay Ray: And my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my governments as Johnny Ray Cornegay, the third, what is happening? Good folks.

DJ Sir Daniel: Yes, good people. We are Queue Points podcast. The podcast dropping the needle on black music history. 

[00:00:48] The Dance Music Phase Debate
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DJ Sir Daniel: And listen, Let's just get to it. All right. So typically I'm always on Twitter and I'm always looking for stuff that's music related. And I came across, across this tweet, somebody here responded to, and the original tweet says we've been in, yes, we been, we've been in a house eighties music era since 2022.

I'm a need everybody to start using a different recipe by next month. So, Terrence Knowhoward, or T hunter 86 responded. First of all, first, it's not all house music. Second, no, I hope we get more upbeat dance music. I am tired of hearing all that vibey, loser, depressing ass pop, R& B, rap, et cetera, music. 

[00:01:43] The State of House Music
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DJ Sir Daniel: Get y'all asses up and dance this year. And of course, that was what music to me and Jay Ray's ears.

Jay Ray: Yes. Listen, listen, folks. So here's the thing. One, that is, he, Terrence was absolutely right. That tweet was not true. We are not in some. grand house music renaissance from a pop culture perspective. Now let's be very clear. House music has never stopped being made. Baby, if you go to track source today, you will get your entire life.

There's probably a thousand new house music releases worldwide available today on a pop state on the pop front. That's not true. 

[00:02:32] The Impact of Renaissance on Pop Music
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Jay Ray: What's very interesting is I think people are looking at what Renaissance did, and we said this. We have to go back, go back and listen to our renaissance show. We had DJ artistic on

DJ Sir Daniel: As in Renaissance Beyonce's last full length album, correct?

Jay Ray: Yes. Renaissance, uh, Beyonce's album. And the question that I remember us grappling with is what will that do for pop music in general? Like, will we start to see people explore more of these sounds? And largely that hasn't really happened, right? Um, Drake tried to do it y'all said no y'all didn't want drake to do that I mean, it wasn't a great album, but y'all said no I don't want you to do that drake So therefore drake went and made an album with 21 savage that sold gangbusters, but was talking crazy about women But y'all liked that so he went and did another album that's got nominated for an naacp award today.

So the point is If you look at current trends in music, you know what, I pulled this up, Sir Daniel, cause I was curious, I have to go back to it, but here's the truth is, last year, SZA was number one on the R& B charts for the majority of the year, and then there was like the insertion of like some Afro beats, but it was mostly SZA, so if we're looking just at charts, The statement is not true, like it's just not, we're not in the midst of some super grand how, like houses everywhere and everybody's doing it sort of thing.

That's actually not what's happening. So, it's not a true statement.

DJ Sir Daniel: It's not a true statement, and as a matter of fact, um, just a couple weekends ago, I was able to go out and witness, um, my friends DJ Oxygen and Bruce Phillips Um, also known as Two Shades of Black, have a monthly dance party called, um, I

Jay Ray: Is it the Unidade? Mm

[00:04:55] The Power of Dance and Music
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DJ Sir Daniel: the, yes, the Unidade party, dance party. It was nothing but funk, soul, boogie, disco, um, just funky ass music that a lot of people have, we, not a lot of people, we've neglected.

Jay Ray: hmm.

DJ Sir Daniel: And it is just really like people like Steve Arrington and, um, Uh, loose joints. A lot of different names that we like Marlene. The show I was talking about earlier, a lot of people that we don't automatically, they're not household names, but these brothers were celebrating them. And I mean, you couldn't stop tapping your feet.

The people that got up and dance, they were dancing in boutique and just having a great time. I was like, This is what we need. We need this feeling again, this feeling of wanting to get close, of not being concerned about what body movement is masculine and what is not, what's not cool. It's just, it's, it's also, it makes me kind of sad actually that there is a.

A generation of people that won't experience it. They like the aesthetic. They like the stories that have been told about what it was like back then. You know, they may see a documentary here and there about Studio 54. And they like the aesthetic. They get into all of that. But at the core of those movements was the music.

And the core was movement. And there are so many benefits. to dancing. There's so many benefits to movement. Again, here we, and y'all are gonna get tired of Uncle Daniel and Uncle Jerry beating this drum. But music is quite germane to our health.

Jay Ray: Sir, Daniel. 

[00:07:04] The Influence of Dance Music on Youth
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Jay Ray: So this show actually unlocked a memory for me. So. Um, in 1990 slash 91, it was mostly 90 because I was in 7th and 8th grade. There used to be a, uh, there used to be a bar, um, in this very white, town, like nearby, because all the towns here, they're small towns and they're all connected. And, um, there was this bar called, um, Oh shoot.

Um, I can't remember the name of the bar right now. That's not the point. The point is on Friday nights at like, from like five to seven, it was like, it was very early. It felt late because you're like, you're a child. They would have. A dance party for like kids and we were Thinking about this now. This is insane

DJ Sir Daniel: There were teen clubs, Jay Ray Back in the day,

there were teen

Jay Ray: club Yeah, it was it was a teen club night. And so I we would go And there was like video games in the bar too. So we could play the video games. The bar will only serve, they would serve free soda. So you could get your free soda. So you went up to the bar, you ordered your soda and the DJ would be spinning whatever was hot.

And what, what was hot then was house and house inspired hip hop. So I could dance to, this is inappropriate. I could dance to salt and peppers. Do you really want me in that club? I remember dancing to that song in that club. Right. And it taught you many things. It taught you, um. Courtesy and consent, because you would have to ask, I was a little boy, so I had to ask the girl if she wanted to dance with me, right?

And she would have to accept, and then we would go to the dance floor and we would dance, right? And so it taught you consent, it taught you the importance of just how to behave in spaces. It also Just taught me the importance of dancing in a group of people. So it was funny, even like you're like hard, thuggy, thuggy, like dudes that you were, you know, that we went to school with would come and they would be dancing too.

Right? So there were all of these really important lessons that just the idea of being in a room to your point, being in community, dancing together to music that is made for you by people in your community did. And we got that as kids.

DJ Sir Daniel: Listen, you completely unlocked a memory because all of my Atlanta heads will remember Sharon's showcase. I tell you take it on one even better jray here in atlanta. They used to have before all the cable Channels and everything there was a um an access channel here in atlanta Where this gentleman god rest his soul by the name of arnell Starr used to have a show called american Uh rap makers and american music makers And one of the things he would do is he would take his camera crew to Sharon's showcase Which was also a teen a teen nightclub and you would get to see everybody from all the different high schools.

You would get to see the different high schools represented. Um, you know, a record was huge. Jerry

Jay Ray: one?

DJ Sir Daniel: set it off,

Jay Ray: Oh, yeah.

DJ Sir Daniel: huge. And we were, and we were doing the Bart Simpson. to set it off in the, and you can, there's like, I'm sure on YouTube, there's footage of everybody like going, you know, at the

Jay Ray: Mm hmm. Yes.

DJ Sir Daniel: to, um, to set it off.

And also what was huge was the percolator.

[00:11:25] The Joy of Dance Music
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DJ Sir Daniel: We, we danced to a little club. We danced to a little house. It was, we had a more well rounded experience. So, for us, we can go back and forth from your hip hop to a little dance music, a little house and whatnot. So, it's just, I don't know, it's just a It feels bad. I don't think we could even bring teen clubs because today, I don't know if the, if the teens today could be able to have fun in that environment.

Or I could be, you know, I could be making it

Jay Ray: and, and, and maybe, Yeah. Because one of the things that I, and I Mark said this so perfectly, so Mark, uh, McPherson said in the chat, we had two teen clubs when I was growing up. I wonder what happened to those, because we had a teen club. Most of most of us knew how to act when we did get old enough to go to an adult club.

Right? So I'm wondering what lessons. Yes, let the beat hit him. Let the beat hit him definitely played in the club where I wish I could remember the name But um, the bar is still there. So I wonder what we would Teach be able to teach young people today about being by being in those spaces Because here's the other thing the music That's why that tweet kind of bothered me too.

[00:12:52] The Healing Power of Music
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Jay Ray: The music mattered so much. Sir Daniel, I know for a fact that you remember when the feeling of the music changed. The reason why we could dance to those songs is because those songs were made for us to dance to. Like the people was like, no. We need to get them butts on the floor and the way you get butts on the floor is you make people feel good.

I want people 

DJ Sir Daniel: that, 

Jay Ray: get them BPMs up so you get that heart rate up. Uh,

DJ Sir Daniel: you said heart rate. Because we all had to be in some sort of good physical shape to do the dances that we were dancing back then. It is no secret that if you look back at pictures of when you were, you know, 17, 18, 19. Um, those of us who are, you know, of a certain age now, we looked a certain way we, we had, you know, we were a little, we were smaller because we were burning off more and because we had more energy, but the dances that were popular and we could think, you know, MC Hammer and other artists like him for coming up with those dances that required a lot of aerobic.

a lot of aerobic, um, uh, power from our baby, from, from our thighs and our ankles. We had to have strong knees back

Jay Ray: Baby listen.

DJ Sir Daniel: y'all, you think Meg, the standard has good knees. We had really good knees back then, but nowadays it ain't, it ain't gonna happen. But I said all that to say, I believe you had, um, there was an article in, um, everyday health, right?

About nine good reasons. Why dancing is good for you or the benefits to dancing, right?

Jay Ray: absolutely. I'm actually putting it in the chat for everyone. And I actually see that my cousin Lynette is in the chat. Lynette, do you remember the name of that, that bar in Woodland that was like. The early nineties, if you do, uh, definitely, uh, let us know, but, um, I just put this article in the chat that are nine good nine reasons dancing is good for your health.

And I can attest to the fact that this is true, right? One, as DJ Sergio Daniel just said, dancing boosts your cardiovascular health, baby, get them things over up above one reflections. There it is. Yes.

DJ Sir Daniel: This sounds like a

Jay Ray: Yeah That's it

DJ Sir Daniel: tonight at reflections

Jay Ray: right dancing boosts your Cardiovascular health you get above 120. Maybe things is moving So it one gives it gets rid of a lot of energy and it helps us to burn energy Number two, it has dancing builds your core strength.

Yes, it does. You are doing a lot of moving and stretching and, um, dancing promotes flexibility. Yes,

DJ Sir Daniel: I'm shaking my head because I wish I had that flexibility still

Jay Ray: me too. Me too. Like it really does help with all of it. Right. Number four is dancing. Absolutely helps with weight loss. One of the reasons I know that I'm in the state that I'm in is because I just don't dance as much. 

As I used to, so there are definitely all of y'all can attest to the fact that dancing is my, my happy place, like Elvis, who's in the chat.

DJ Sir Daniel: okay, and that's mr. Dance machine himself, but here's how I know dancing Um, was very helpful to us when we, thank you, Michelle, when we, we could go to a, to a party or a club the night before. And if you were like me, say we went out Friday night and if you were working, if you never worked in a call center in the early nineties, you didn't live, you have not lived. I used to work at a call center. It's, um, a collection center here in, um, in Atlanta. And I would have to work Saturday mornings and I'm telling you, I would get home maybe about three, four o'clock in the morning and have to be there. In front of the computer logged in at eight o'clock

Jay Ray: talking to people,

DJ Sir Daniel: talking to people.

Now at that age, mind you, I was between 19 and 21 at that time. I could do that. I could get home, take a quick disco nap as we used to call it. Um, get up, put some shower and whatnot and get down to the workhouse. Because we still had that stamina and that stamina was encouraged by the dancing by the movement.

Yes, age played a big factor in it, but all that physical energy that we were displaying and we were exerting was gave us that stamina to keep doing things and to pull all nighter and then go to work the next day. And so I'm not saying that you all have to do that today. Um, uh, clearly you all aren't going to do that today because that's just not what the, um, the kids are about these days.

However, um, it's just something to think about that there are so many benefits to dancing and there's no reason why. 

[00:18:34] The Importance of Joyful Music
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DJ Sir Daniel: Dancing or we should be afraid of dance music like the person said i'm i'm tired of all the everything sounding sad and dreary Even the upbeat songs have a dark nature to it and just don't sound happy.

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[00:20:11] Do we have to reorient people to what joy feels like?
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Jay Ray: I'm wondering if we have to not reorient, but no, no, no. I think it is reorient people to just have wanting to feel good and having a good feeling right because of the way the world and the way things are set up, you know, we craved those joyous moments, you know what I'm saying? And I don't know.

Because we get so much stuff coming at us all the time with these machines that we have, with the phones that we have, with just everything that has happened in the world, that is harder for people to experience. Just, just unlike joy. Just like, and, and, and not just joy. Joy with other people. Right? Like being in the same room with like a bunch of other people that are also experiencing joy, that feeling is beyond.

And I don't know that a lot of people know what that's like anymore. Yeah.

DJ Sir Daniel: you know, speaking of Kim Burrell is those moments. If you've ever been to church and those moments where the spirit kind of washes over everybody and you can see, you can see everybody is all is caught up in that energy, in that feeling. And it's just, it's just a shared moment.

And it is, yeah. it brings elation. It releases endorphins. You know, that's why people feel so good after leaving church and want to keep coming back. You know, it releases those, that chemical reaction in your brain that you want to come back and keep getting it over and over and over again. And speaking of joy, Jerry, like what are, let's do this.

What are some dance songs, specifically by black people, that just, when you hear it, it just gives you joy, like, every time you hear it.

Jay Ray: So, oh, one of those songs. Oh, and by the way, make sure y'all go and check out that article, because it has four other things, including the fact that dance helps with stress. So make sure that y'all check that article out. So my first song. is you send me like a butterfly, which is by masters at work featuring Patty Austin. It came out on masters at works 2001. I think it's our time is coming. That record is long out of print.

DJ Sir Daniel: Mm,

Jay Ray: but you can YouTube this song by a masters at work. Like I said, it's called you send me like a butterfly and Patty Austin is on the vocal. It is one of the most beautiful songs that is, um, about love, right?

About this, this, this, this singer experiencing the love that this person gives to them and it makes them feel like a butterfly, right? And, um, that song brings a smile to my face. I could play that in the car and it never, like, Every time I envision the song, song doesn't even have a video, but I envision bright sunny day neighborhood, black people just dancing around the house with the people that they love, not even just romantic love, but just like family love.

Right.

DJ Sir Daniel: mm hmm,

Jay Ray: That just conjures up such beauty for me. And it's a very floaty kind of song. Um, we'll make sure on our socials, we definitely put. You send me, uh, like a butterfly up. And the second one, my masters at work again, they know the formula though. I get it. Louie Vega and Kenny dope. They understand the spirituality of the music.

And so of course I would pick another, uh, masters at work, but this is, uh, from the new Eureka soul album, which we talked about, uh, with Bruce Phillips, who we mentioned earlier 

and baby

DJ Sir Daniel: hmm, hmm.

Jay Ray: baby in the title it's called. You can do it, baby. Um, and it's George Benson is playing guitar and doing the vocal.

So the first. It's like a, it's like a nine minute song. The first four minutes of the song is just George Benson playing guitar and like scatting over it. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do like, it's like, and it's a D and it just gets you and you like, yes, kids more.

So, and then we get to the end, we get towards the end and he starts to sing. Um, cause it's George Benson. So he's going to give it to you. So those are my two, both masters at work. One is, uh, you send me like a butterfly. And the other one is you can do a baby from New Year. We consult. What about you? What are your two?

DJ Sir Daniel: So, it's funny, we're, we're staying in the, the house. Dance Realm Club Realm because my I was having a difficult moment trying to pick which one but it comes from Ten City, so Okay, I can I have a can I have a runner up for Ten

Jay Ray: of course.

DJ Sir Daniel: Okay, so Ten City the first one is that's the way love is I remember from the moment I saw saw that video and heard the song it did something to me it just The, the connection between Byron Stingley's voice And the, the violins, the piano that was really synonymous with house music at that time, that kind of Chicago piano.

There was just something about it that was elevating. And then the message about love. It was not just about romantic love, but two people, um, get together. And they love each other, blah, blah, blah. And he talks about falling out of really falling out of favor with each other, but getting back into favor with each other because at the core it's love, very simple lyrics, you know, nothing really hard to wrap your mind around, but I'm telling you, there's just a connection about the, the, the, the, the, um, What's the word I'm looking for?

The, the, the build up of the song and the crescendo of how it just takes you there. All of that wrapped into one just automatically made me an immediate fan of Ten City. But then on the album, they had Right Back To You, which, oh my God, Right Back To You is still in rotation on my phone right now. I have it on my phone.

If you're in the car with me, you are going to hear Ten city right back to you bar just sitting in the car. You're gonna hear it at some point I absolutely love that song. I love songs in that vein There was a time when they when house music did have a lot of male vocalists and they were said they were at the top of those male vocalists that were contributing to the house music scene and that was house music that Was kind of more on the pop side on the popular side because of course, you know house music was a little bit underground But um, yeah, there was also a group out of New Jersey called blaze that had a song That had a song called, um, you're so special.

[00:28:09] The Role of Music in Personal Growth
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DJ Sir Daniel: You talking about, I, I literally felt like I was special after hearing that song. And so those things, that messaging, and this was at a time when I was in my, when I was in my early teens, and I was moving from state to state, high school to high school, and really wasn't, Connecting with a lot of people and feeling, you know, at that age, you start to feel some way about yourself and feel feelings of unworthiness.

And so a song like that really, really brought me peace and it brought me happiness to hear it. I, there was so many years in between the time I saw that. Video on video. So in 1990 to when I popped up in my head and thank God for YouTube, I was able to do a search and find it and find that record online.

It's on, it's on iTunes and everything. And I'm telling you, it was just like that. I was transported and got the happy feet, you know, a little tear streamed out of my eye. Just a little bit and because I just was it took me back to a moment Where a song actually made it was a very pivotal moment in my life that said no It's gonna get better you are definitely special enough because God thinks you're special You know your mom thinks you're special So you need to start thinking you're special as well.

And so things like that, the music and the message go hand in hand. And I don't think people really understand that and don't understand the healing power that music has. You know, just like Michonne said in the, in the chat, God is in all of it, even in the music and whatever that source is for you. If you use it correctly, it could be, um, used for good and change.

You mentioned something earlier about the frequency of music. There are studies that show the music that is created on certain frequencies have a healing effect on people. So it's no. Secret. I really just think that creatives have to invest in people's actual happiness these days instead of a buck

Jay Ray: you, that is completely it. Like it's, and if you are tuned in enough, you know the feeling, right? Uh, and you're able to say. Um, that's too dark. This needs to be something else where I need to, I need to do something else, right? You mentioned Blaze. Oh my goodness. So we'll have to actually, I have to research to see if I could find this one.

There's like a early 2000s joint. By them called here with me, my God, today, my God, today, that song is so beautiful and it makes you to that point of like, you said it like the happy feet, it gives you the happy feet, the vocal, the lyrics. The whole production is like, no, this is designed to make you feel better. Um, and so we absolutely have to seek out sounds and feelings that make us feel better. And here's, here's the challenge, right? Put yourself in these environments, right? Go to places that people are playing this music without all the preconceptions. And I guarantee, and here's another thing. You don't need the alteration either.

Like I know it's tempting when we go out to hit the bar first. Sit down and see what that DJ playing for a minute, right? You might get all the high you need just hitting the dance floor. And you don't even have to dance with nobody. You are there to get your life, okay? If you happen to meet someone, and chances are you do.

So Michelle Dawes Burke was in the chat earlier. We've already told the story about how I met Michelle. Walking 

DJ Sir Daniel: the dance floor. 

Jay Ray: just really just like sweaty and just like Whatever, but I was able to, we were able to see one another in that moment. Right? That was source. Right? So put yourselves in these places. It matters.

[00:32:49] The Need for More Joyful Music
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Jay Ray: So no, not less, more. We need more of

DJ Sir Daniel: More, more, more. And we titled this, this particular episode is entitled everybody dance now. And that was intentional because Of course, we're referencing CNC Music Factory's, um, song of the same title,

Jay Ray: Yeah.

DJ Sir Daniel: but more so, I'm talking about, we're talking about Martha Wash's,

Jay Ray: That vocal.

DJ Sir Daniel: that, that's a battle cry. That's a call to action.

Every body dance, that's the most iconic part of the song. Like even, even though they tried to erase her physically from that song, from the video and everything, her vocal. Commanding you to say to everybody dance now is still lives on and vibrates through everything through this whole this world still to this day.

And that's what we're talking about. That's what the kind of impact that we need more of. And I would love to have more as a DJ to be able to play.

Jay Ray: Yeah.

DJ Sir Daniel: days,

Jay Ray: And, and here's, and here's the other part of that is there's never, there's so much, there's so much room for people to, is there's never going to be too much of something because there's always going to be someone else doing another thing, right? Um, pop music and the machine, right. We'll tell you. It's too much of that. We need more of this, but the reality is that's just not true. Like there has always been all types of different music out there. Now, what those folks choose to focus on to sell. That's another conversation, right? Seek out the things that bring you joy and stop with like, like home.

Like that, that other tweet, I think it was Thomas was his name said tired of this like slow, sad sounding music. Like, where is the joint baby? I want SZA on like a, how I want SZA on the dance floor. I want to hear what SZA would do. With a house track on the dance floor. I want to 

DJ Sir Daniel: could get, she could get with Kate Renata and Kate Renata will take and kill it and take her to another level. It's really, I really do believe you, you, you're onto something if that's what I think is all intentional, if they wanted to encourage happiness and to change the mood, not just of this country, but of the world, they would push.

The music that we're talking about, but I think because the powers that be, and you know, here comes Mr. Conspiracy Theory, the powers that be want to keep us in constant doom and gloom, fear specifically, and And, uh, aggression and anxiety. They want, they want us to continue feeling like those things, because as you see, they're getting, they're making sure that we're, um, primed for it, primed for all the bad news that is coming from every corner, from the news that we received from the legislations, all of that there is, is priming us for that.

But if they really, if we really wanted to change the vibration and change. You know, um, these young people that are mad and aggressive that if we really wanted to change that we would start Like pushing that narrative of that kind of music and change their frequency if we really wanted to do it If you wanted these kids To stop me mugging you or running around and push icy masks, not wanting to show their faces and ice grilling you and stealing your grandma's purse or selling some old lady a calculator and telling her that it's an iPhone.

If you wanted all of that stuff to change, you really going to have to look at what they're being fed. And a lot of what is being fed is fed between with your ears. You're receiving it audibly. And those vibrations have a greater effect on people more than we, we absolutely know. I mean it to down to a cellular core.

So that's my, I'm going to get off my conspiracy box and I'll wrap it up because we, we've been, we've been going at this for a minute because one thing Jerry and I are going to do is talk about. Music and how it can better us and make us feel happy because I believe you all want to feel more happy.

Don't you? If you say you don't, you're lying to yourself. You're absolutely lying to yourself. So it's up to you, this, this stuff out there, like Jerry said, you can seek it and, and feed yourself the happier stuff that, that could really change you. And it'll just be a ripple effect everywhere you go. Cause when you're carrying that vibration within you, you're going to share it with the people that you encounter, and then they're going to do it.

And so on and so on.

[00:38:16] Conclusion: The Power of Music
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Jay Ray: Absolutely. Um, y'all, this has been an amazing show. I'm so happy. My cousin, uh, Lynette popped in, um, to hang out. I don't think Lynette, I don't think you've ever seen the show before. So thank you. I actually just took pictures of, uh, Lynette and her sisters. Um, so it was all six of them in one room and I got to photograph my cousins.

And that was absolutely beautiful. Um, they don't know this, but I was nervous. Um, I was really nervous because, you know, I wanted it to be like good and, um, and it was good. It was better than good. And so I'm happy to, that, you know, she got a chance to, to watch the show and happy for everybody that tuned in and was in the chat.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Well, listen, thank you to everyone for tuning in on this particular episode of Queue Points podcast. Before we go, I want to give a huge shout out to my, my real day one. My mother, her birthday is coming up. 

Jay Ray: Birthday! 

DJ Sir Daniel: And listen, like I always say in this life, you have a choice. You can either pick up the needle or you can let the record play. I'm DJ sir, Daniel,

Jay Ray: I'm JRay, y'all.

DJ Sir Daniel: and this has been Queue Points podcast, dropping the needle on black music history. We'll see you on the next go round. Peace.

Jay Ray: Peace!

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