Beyond the Controversy: Khia's Impact on Hip Hop

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[00:00:00] Queue Points Disclaimer
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Disclaimer: Thanks for tuning into Queue Points. Before you take in this show, we want to acknowledge that neither DJ Sir Daniel or Jay Ray support, Khia's transphobic and homophobic comments that she's made over the course of her career in any way, shape or form. As members of the LGBTQIA+ community. We condemn any statements of hatred against our and any community. This show is meant as an examination of Khia's musical output and nothing more. Stuff can be two things. Khia can make transphobic and homophobic statements and still make bops at the same time. Enjoy the show.

[00:00:38] Intro Theme (Music by Danya Vodovoz)
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[00:01:08] Welcome to Queue Points Podcast: A Wild Episode Ahead!
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DJ Sir Daniel: Greetings and welcome to another episode of Queue Points podcast. I am DJ Sir Daniel.

Jay Ray: And my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government as Johnny Ray Cornegay the third. What's happening people.

DJ Sir Daniel: Welcome back to another, another, this is going to be a wild one, but welcome back to another,

Jay Ray: a wild card here.

[00:01:27] Diving Deep into Khia's Musical Legacy and Controversies
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DJ Sir Daniel: another episode of Queue Points podcast, dropping the needle on black music history, the subject of this episode, uh, represents Florida a lot, even though she's from, she's from Philadelphia.

Philadelphia.

Jay Ray: She lived in Philly until she was like 10 or 11 or something.

DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah, and then of course, you know, is gracing the South. We're talking about none other than Khia. Khia, you know, Ms. Roasts and Gags herself, formerly one half of the Queens Court. But most importantly, the queen of do it yourself. Um, hip hop, and that is why we are talking about Khia.

You know, we had our disclaimer at the very beginning of the show. You know, we know Khia, we get it. We know Khia, uh, traffics in homophobia and transphobia and making very, um, gross comments about people from the community. And we, we, we understand that we're not riding with her with respect to that. But as an artist. Strict, strictly from an artist standpoint, there's something to be said about Khia and her stick to itiveness and her ingenuity and just her all around wit to have been able to survive in this industry for 20 plus years. So let's, you know, so she's done something right and, and things are still happening for her and we're going to get into that.

Um, but I think It must be said that Kaia has been ahead of the curve as far as this, this truth telling, um, trend that we're in now, because just last week, just last episode, we were talking about Kat Williams and his appearance on the, um, The, the Shay Shay club, Shay Shay, um, podcast with Shannon sharp.

And so Khia in her own way is a trendsetter with the truth telling as it is. Am I, am I stretching? Am I going too far, Jerry, or how you feel?

Jay Ray: I don't think you are going too far. I think from a, from a women in hip hop perspective, I do think I agree with you because Khia has not. Kind of gone along to get along as a rapper, right? So. We're going to talk about some of those moments in Khia history, where it's just like, I didn't see it. I don't even know why she did that, or I didn't see it coming, but it's always been very clear that she, as is her part of her own agenda to that point.

Sir, Daniel, I think. 

[00:04:29] Khia: The DIY Queen of Hip Hop
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Jay Ray: One of the other reasons why I think it's really important to lift Khia up as we honor hip hop at 50, as that DIY queen, as that you mentioned earlier, Sir Daniel, is there are very few women. In music period, in particular in hip hop that run the whole thing, like she kind of produces, there are like several albums and guys catalog that Khia is the producer of those records, right?

Starting with her second record where she's like credited as the producer of the album. That is really rare where you get a woman, um, who is kind of running the whole shit. Yeah. Um, now you might talk about the, the, the variety of that ship. That's an argument that can be made, but even on each of those albums, there's bops, you know what I'm saying?

She never stops delivering something. Yeah.

DJ Sir Daniel: it's undeniable and it's a It harkens back to conversations we've had regarding another one of our quote unquote, problematic faves, Azalea Banks. And to your point, again, this genre of hip hop is very much when it comes to women in the genre of rap music and being in hip hop culture, your whole career is typically in the hands of men.

Or a man, somebody who is already seated and seasoned in the game, uh, somebody who has their own reputation and you are allegedly riding on their coattails in order for you to get your spot. They sometimes at most times have their own agenda. For, um, for your career, like a lot of people are, a lot of women in hip hop have been positioned.

They didn't even come up with their own monikers or positions. They would say, okay, this is what I want you to represent on these tracks. And this is who you're going, your persona is going to be. And to, uh, to Azalea, to Khia, their credit, that was not the case when they stepped into the game, they came into the game with a very clear point of view, um, Unafraid to criticize and critique their peers, which is unheard of.

Well, not unheard of, but it gets very sticky and gets very tricky because along with Um, rap music comes a lot of politics and who, you know, you talk about this person that you're not going to get opportunities to, to, to be a part of these events, because you've talked about my artists, I'm investing this much money in this event.

We don't want you anywhere near my artists. So you are black balls from this particular arena. And that Khia has. Face from the very beginning, whether it's from From shows to her being on radio, especially here, here in Atlanta, which, you know, she is a very strong following here in Atlanta. And I distinctly remember her, uh, the day she got into it, or it was a broadcast feud between her and legendary radio, um, personality, Portia Fox rocking the box back on the day on, on B one Oh three, they got into it on the air and it, you know, It made a lot of noise and may, it was fun, but those are the types of things that Khia had to, um, deal with stepping into the game being herself completely.

Cause, cause again, you have to get along. You have to go along to get along. A lot of times you have to change who you are in order to get somewhere in this industry.

[00:08:35] Breaking Industry Norms: Khia's Unapologetic Entry
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Jay Ray: Mm. You know, so as we think about Khia and her entry point into the industry, um, and it's interesting as we were getting ready for the show, Sir Daniel and I were talking about kind of the comparison today to like Sexy Red, but there's like a long line of Black women, um, in music that Khia is not an anomaly, right?

She sits in, you know, if there was not a Millie Jackson, there would not be a Khia, right? You know what I'm saying? This brash, you know, quote unquote, loud, um, I'm not going to take no shit from nobody kind of woman, right? Kaia showed up like that, like, at the beginning. That's a rare thing, like, to show up, cause you know, what we, what we've seen, I think, in history, um, for the most part, is that artists become that person, right?

Like after you've been in the machine and you've made a choice to do something else, you then kind of are like, no, I'm not going to do any of that. The wall's coming down. I'm going to be who I am. Right. Khia showed up like that. And I think what was interesting is not only did she show up fully embracing who she was, her subject matter was like unapologetically sexual.

In a way that was like, you can't play this around your mom. Like, this is not, although so many people from my mom's generation are probably like, that's a bop. Like my neck, my back is like a universal bop at this point. But I remember when I first heard it being like, Oh, I like this though. But, oh my, that's something.

Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

DJ Sir Daniel: Cause it's so funny. Okay. Funny. You should bring up two things you brought up. The first time you heard my neck, my back, I was working at HMV work record store when the record broke. And I, the reason why I found out about it was because all these. Mostly started coming into the record store asking us, Hey, do you have that?

Um, that song she's talking about all you ladies pop you like this. And I was like, excuse me, what is those kids have been watching. A network of, uh, I believe it was NBC or ABC, a network television show, uh, featuring Jessica Alba called dark angel. If y'all remember that show, that song was a part of that TV show.

That's how imagine. Your first major hit coming off the heels of appearing a placement on a nationally broadcast television show with a emerging superstar in prime time. And so that was, that was an anomaly of itself. I don't know how that I would love to hear from her, how that worked out, how she got that look, but another thing.

So you brought up the fact that. Kai comes from a long list of women, specifically black women, with this, this very brash, but Funny and sexual, um, persona that comes along with their music. I think we need to address the elephant in the room that prior to Khia, we had little Kim, we had Foxy, we even had at this point, we even had Trina.

Trina is bubbling on the scene, right? All unapologetically sexy talking that ish on their records. And we love it. Here comes Khia. 

[00:12:35] Khia's Unique Path and the Industry's Response
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DJ Sir Daniel: And she's not received the same way. And let's, in the words of Viola, let's call a thing, a thing, people. Let's call a thing, a thing.

Jay Ray: It's the same thing that's happening with sexy red right now. Let's call a thing a thing.

DJ Sir Daniel: She is not con she was not conventionally and accepted for her looks. She was not conventionally or industry standards of beauty. the same thing is happening now with Sexy Red, even though we're in a different place now, I think, with how people are received physically, because we've seen a lot of different shape sizes and shades of blackness that are being accepted in the mainstream.

But Khia definitely came through, um, She, she had locks. She was, you know, at that point she was had baby locks at the very beginning. And she was growing that out. She had natural hair, you know, she was Brown skin. She didn't really, I don't know. She wore a lot of, well, she wore makeup in the video when the video came out, but she was also rocking a lot of turbans.

And so conventionally. Khia was not what people if you have a standard set by a little Kim, a Janet Jackson, all these people that we, we idolize, um, for their physicality and for their beauty. If you come in the game looking a certain way and you don't acquiesce to that and you don't, um, Match up to that in any way, shape, or form.

Then immediately people are going to one, either not pay attention to you or two, pay attention, and then hit you with the, you have the nerve. How dare you talk to us. How dare your music sound like that? Because we like it. But why do you look like that? I think that's part of the backlash that she experienced.

Jay Ray: sir. Daniel. This leads you are absolutely correct I I think that and not only that so I want to I want to definitely build on that for a second because not only Did it, did it take a lot for her to just be who she was? See, she didn't try to change it, right? She didn't try to change it. Cause you know what happens in the industry?

We see it all the time where it's like, Oh my God, that person is this. But if you were a little more, if you did a little, this, if you did a nip, if you did a tuck, if you did a, a little more, this, It would like fit and it was like no I'm going to be who I am. 

[00:15:10] Khia on Miss Rap Supreme: A Defining Moment
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Jay Ray: Here's where I remember Really feeling like oh, she's just gonna kind of do whatever and that was the miss rap supreme moment one I was really I was surprised to see Khia on miss rap supreme.

I was like, she's like a She's like a known artist. I don't know why Kaia is here, but then I realized like, one, she's good TV. And two, there were people who just didn't know who she was. She was kind of regional, even though she'd had a national hit, people didn't really, this was before the internet, like, let me say it differently before social media, where you kind of really knew what people looked like.

So she had this national hit, but she was really kind of a regional artist, really baked in the South. You're now on this national platform. And so I remember being surprised cause I knew who Khia was. I'm like, I don't know that she fits on here, but whatever. And then the, the, the moment she got kicked off,

DJ Sir Daniel: Uh

Jay Ray: eliminated from the show.

Right. And then the, and, and she did respect me. And it is, the thing was her second album had already come out. So I already heard that song. Like, so when she did the verse, I was like. You can't do this. Like, this is a verse from your song. That's already out, like the album's out. And then of course it became like a big thing where it was like, we had to deliberate because at first it was like, Oh, that's kind of hot.

But then it was like, now we had to deliberate and we learned that that was already out. I'm assuming they was playing it up for TV. My point was, I was like, Oh, this woman is committed. She's going to do what she's going to do.

DJ Sir Daniel: Yes.

Jay Ray: And can I do a slight rewind? 

[00:17:05] Embracing Controversy: Khia's Strategic Moves
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Jay Ray: Cause I just thought about this, sir. Now in social media, you, the smart ones. Capitalize on negativity. Remember when all of them Khia mugshots came out and people was dragging her when that showed up as the cover of her second album, I thought that was genius. I was like, I don't know that woman's smart.

DJ Sir Daniel: Oh, big time. She's she figured it out from the very beginning and she said, Oh, I know what I'm going to do. I am going to do the exact opposite of what you're going to want me to do. And you're going to still pay attention to me. You are still going, I'm going to create my own narrative. Yup. I got a gazillion mug shots.

I've been stunting out here in these streets and doing all kinds of foolishness. And I got a mug shots for each story. And that's going to be my album cover. She figured out very quickly that controversy or she's a student. I'm sure she's a student of the game and figured out the controversy sells and will, and people will.

May not like you, but they can't stop talking about you. And you, in fact, do take up some real estate in their brains. And she absolutely, to this day, we're still talking. That's like 15 years later. We're still talking about that episode of R E S P E. Respect me, R E S P E. Respect me. And it is, it was just.

I, I, I, I, I think about, think back on it fondly, like, that takes a lot of guts. That takes a lot of chutzpah to stand there in front of MC Search and Yo Yo and to be like, I don't give a, you know. Forget what y'all are asking me to do. I'm going to do this and I'm going to, I'm going to make a lasting impression.

I might get eliminated, but you will never forget me. And 15 years later, here we are. We're still talking about Khia and the imprint that she has made on this, on this world.

Jay Ray: You know, and not in, in addition to that. It's the strategic picking of respect me as here is how I am going to stand on this stage. So when Khia, when Khia says with the gavel, I've been carrying myself like a queen for the last 25 years, right? It's like, I mean, she's not lying. She has been like, she's not lying.

She's literally been standing up there and demanding that you respect her. Now. It's a whole lot that comes with that, that we're going to talk about a little bit later that I think gets in the way of folks doing that. But I think it is important, um, to have that kind of, when you are going to be an independent artist, like you have to have that, that kind of like, I'm going to get this done and I am going to demand you at any level, respect who I am.

DJ Sir Daniel: Absolutely. And so we got to talk about, I'm just thinking about like, okay, so recently I think the whole, she, she did a, um, a queen's court on the whole, people comparing her to sexy red or comparing sexy red to her. And she did not take that kindly. And she was, and she gave the list of reasons. And again, it's like, huh.

When you listen to what she was saying, it was like, she's actually making sense. Because again, to our earlier point, Khia has held the reins of her career from to her image, everything she's done that and whatever she's put out, she put it out. She's not living. She, she's a mother,

Jay Ray: Our daughter looks just like her, by the way,

DJ Sir Daniel: She does. She doesn't want people to get it twisted. Like, Oh no, no, no, no, no. Y'all can't compare me to that because I, I, first of all, I've got way too much time in the game. I've invested in myself. I know myself. I'm not being used and creating any personas. This is me. Whereas I don't know this young lady.

I don't know what she's doing. She's, you know, and a lot of people feel like these, these young people are plants in the industry. That's, that's a term that's being thrown around industry plants. And she's, she's very clear in saying that this. Is not that and I, and I commend her for that. I, you know, I was like, okay, yeah, again, we may not like the way she gives us the medicine, but she's not lying.

I think that's the ongoing thread that we have a lot in our, a lot of our Khia conversations is that she ain't lying. We may not like the way she said it, but she's not lying.

Jay Ray: right? And I mean, and I think what, and this is the hard part I think about having these conversations about Khia. Yes, we already acknowledged the one hard part, right? Like there's this, a lot of muck that comes with the homophobia and the transphobia and like all this, there's some anti blackness in there.

All of that stuff. Yes. Yes. But, or and that music, that music be hitting though. So there are

DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah. We'll talk about it.

Jay Ray: we need to talk about it. 

[00:22:55] Khia's DIY Ethos and Independent Spirit
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Jay Ray: So as me and Sir Daniel, the first time I think I noticed that Khia was cut different and it was years later. So I had, of course, I have no idea why I was listening to thug missus, which was Khia's second record.

I don't know. Here we go I listened to it. That's how I knew what respect me was. I listened to thug missus, right? Which is not different. No thug missus is the first record. The second record was something else Whatever the second album, so I don't know why I was listening to it point is It was That third that that nasty music that one she rapped that van You know what I'm saying?

Which

DJ Sir Daniel: if you live in Atlanta,

Jay Ray: You seen it,

DJ Sir Daniel: seen that van. It's on Peter Street, you've seen the van all over Atlanta, all over Metro Atlanta.

Jay Ray: trial

DJ Sir Daniel: She purchased that van and wrapped it and was like, I'm going to, this is my day to day vehicle and you are going to see it and you're going to know, you can't, you can't knock the hustle in the words of Jay Z.

Sheep. No, at all.

Jay Ray: But it was that, um, for me, it was that be your lady. So she did this kind of DIY video in a house that was like three sets. It was like the kitchen, the living room. Maybe a bedroom, right? It was probably Kaia's house, right? She did this video and I was like, oh, this is interesting, right? It was like, not complicated, but it was like, Oh, I'm gonna do a music video for my song, right?

I don't have no big budget. I don't, I'm gonna do this video and it's going to be cute. And I was like, I respect that. You know, it's not, we were past the point MTV had MTV and BET had basically already stopped playing videos by then. 106 and Park was never going to play a Khia song. And she made content.

For YouTube, for her video, for her song. And that was so smart. So that's when I realized I'm like, Oh, she's cut different. Like she's not afraid to do it herself to get it done.

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[00:26:15] What's Your Favorite Khia Song?
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DJ Sir Daniel: So the, the question then, Jay Ray, and to the audience listener, what is your favorite Khia song? Cause I know I got, I know I got a matter of fact on my phone right now, I may have Two, maybe two, three Khia songs on my phone now that I still write out to this, to this day. But I have a number one Khia song, but I'm very interested to know for those of you watching us live, um, dropping in the chat, what is your favorite Khia song?

Cause I know you got one. Don't act like you don't, but J Ray, what is your favorite Khia song?

Jay Ray: So, this was actually interesting, because I have several cryosols that I like. But Steer is my, now Steer,

DJ Sir Daniel: That's it.

Jay Ray: that joint is, that, that

[00:27:02] Decoding the Magic of Club Hits
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DJ Sir Daniel: I don't know. I don't know if it's the, the, the, it's a 108 tempo. It's the, the double claps.

Jay Ray: Mm hmm.

DJ Sir Daniel: Very it's it's for some it just it just sounds really good and in the club And I think I really began to love steer when I played it, um for a couple I played it at bulldogs and I played it at um, wet and atl for the dancers and I just seen the reaction I started to get into it and it is she she's a hook queen

Jay Ray: That's, it's, that's her, that's her magic. Book her for that.

DJ Sir Daniel: She, she knows how to make a hook and it's infectious, it's repetitious, but, and it just, it feels good.

It blends well with set it off. So it's, you're already in the, in the, in a dance mode. 

[00:28:02] Exploring the Line Dancing Phenomenon
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DJ Sir Daniel: And like what, what Khia also has done has tapped into the, the line dancing element culture that has come back. And has come back over the past 10 or so years, people are very, very much into their line dances, whether you're a motorcycle line dancer or a cha cha slide dancer, black people love a line dance and her songs fit right into that.

Um, Into that niche. And so she's able to her, a lot of her success, she's able to experience that success there, but steer is my joint. Um, we see, I see a lot of neck and back, which is, you know, y'all ain't really no kind of, you know, music, music connoisseurs, if you still talking about neck and back, you know, come to me with some real deep cuts.

Now I'm just playing, but somebody on here, J Ray, I gotta say this. Mark mentioned. Janet Jackson, so excited. We got to talk about that moment.

Jay Ray: the best part of now that moment. I mean, honestly. Okay. So I don't like so excited. Sir. Daniel knows this. I'm very clear. I'm on record as I don't like that song, right? However,

DJ Sir Daniel: like that song? Do you not like that era? That album

Jay Ray: that whole 20, Y.O era is like a throw. It is like dream street to me. It can have never happened.

DJ Sir Daniel: I love

it So, but she's the best part of that song. Like act bad.

don't

hurt me. me. Look, sexy Talk dirty.

I went up that.

It's so sad. Jay Ray are we birds? Are we, are we hood rats? I think that's what it is.

Jay Ray: We hood rats rats. I think Khia awakens the inner bird in all of us. And I, I think we just have to be honest with ourselves. There is a, there's a hood rat gutter snipe in all of us that the music appeals to. And it's just, and it's not just us.

[00:30:09] Sampling and Cultural Impact
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DJ Sir Daniel: Like, Jay Ray, we have to look at how many times Khia has been sampled. I think that's a mark of a musician is how many times they've been sampled and her for, and she's sampled and weirdly people try not to give her credit for it, which I think is bizarre. That part is bizarre to me.

Jay Ray: Yeah. There's a bunch of, and it's not just you with you with think, um, that it's, it's, um, just women, but it's not, there's a bunch of dudes that adapt my neck, my back for stuff. It is crazy. Just go to who sample. com and type in Khia and you will see. All the people, there is a treasure trove of men that have sampled Khia, you know what I'm saying?

DJ Sir Daniel: And if they haven't sampled her, they use the line, my neck, my back. You, everybody uses that line. Even though I think when I think back on it, Since we're still talking about comedians, I think, remember that, Oh, my neck, my back, my neck, and my back, that comedian that did that joke on comic view. So that, so there may be a connection there.

I'm pretty certain there's a connection there, but we're neck and back is, is synonymous with Khia. But yeah, I think. Go ahead.

Jay Ray: yeah, I think it's, um, the sample, the sampling piece. 

[00:31:37] Khia's Business Savvy and Longevity
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Jay Ray: I think is also one of the reasons why, um, her longevity has been what it is. Cause the reality is, um, and I know Kipper is in the chat and can really speak to this. Like you writing a good bop that people that is like timeless. My neck, my back is just a timeless bop.

I have other bops from Kaia that I like, but if that was the only one, we'd still be talking about her,

DJ Sir Daniel: He's still, he's talking about it. And I think, again, back to the, the, her cultural impact. Like I said, line dancing is a cultural phenomenon that Black people, of course, as usual, we are at the helm of, of that trend. And the K Wang. Is a song that the smartest thing is that she created the instructions to it.

There's instructions to it where people are like, okay, i'm gonna learn how to do this dance And we absolutely love a dance. We love I've told you this theory, Jerry, as a DJ, line dances work because there's a moment where if you're at a party, if you're at a wedding, you're by yourself, there's a point where a line dance song is going to be played and you are going to be able to get out on that floor and not have to wait for somebody to say, may I have this dance?

You are going to be a part of the party. Once you are getting that. Two steps forward, two steps back, and shuffle to the left, and shuffle to the right. Once you get into that, you're a part of the party. You're a part of the experience. And you're no longer alone. The fact that you came by yourself is completely washed away.

You're dancing with everybody, and you're having a great time. And that's why those types of songs resonate with us so deeply. And so Kaia, once again, in all her brilliance in, you know, looking at what works, Said, you know what in the history of music people love an instructional dance song It might be cheesy to some but it still works and you can put on K Wang at your mama's barbecue

Jay Ray: Yep.

DJ Sir Daniel: at your auntie's baby shower And the old folks are going to be clamoring to that dance floor to dance to get in line to do the K Wang So again,

Jay Ray: And,

DJ Sir Daniel: Kai and her brain yeah. And you know that brilliance translated because what, two years ago? 2022? I think it was. Khia decided to, she did like a 20th anniversary. It might've been 2021 20th anniversary of Thug Mrs, but she called, she did a video for Kay Wang. Now here was the thing people was trying to drag her, right?

Jay Ray: It was like, look at her, look at her out here doing this video for this 20 year old song. I'm like, child, that is smart as all get out. Cause she knows Kay Wang is a joint that people dig. It never had a video before. I'm literally going to pull it out and do a video today and drop it. So then it puts it right back into the zeitgeist because now this 20 year old song has a new music video from the artist that did it.

Mm hmm.

DJ Sir Daniel: And a new life again, look at, listen, kids, I've taken the, I'm taking the money that I've banked over the years cause I'm still getting booked. And I'm still getting residuals, and I'm reinvesting in myself, and creating these videos, and creating a new life for the song. And a new life for the song means it starts charting again, y'all start streaming it, y'all might book me here and there.

Guess what? She's made that money back tenfold. So again, I don't know. Kai is playing chess, Kai is playing chess, not checkers with y'all. And so, and you know, a lot of people hate to see, hate to agree with her, but you cannot. Not that lady's business savvy. I think that's the once you get away from Quote unquote Khia getting in her way in the music industry She really hasn't gotten in her way.

She's really doing what she wants y'all to do. She's creating music and y'all are still buying it I think the difference that we see is, is that 50 cent can do the same thing. 50 cent can, can, can get out there and, and create a fake, um, trailer or fake movie poster for, uh, um, a life after Diddy documentary and claim that he's going to create a Diddy documentary.

And he'll troll Ja Rule. He'll troll Fat Joe. He'll get into all these beefs. Ew. We still love 50 Cent, you know, we still rock with 50 Cent. We watch his television shows. We do all of that. We don't disparage him as much. Kaia does the same thing. She trolls the hell out of us. She has her fun. And people really take that to heart.

And a lot more people, um, Just can't deal with it. Like how they would deal with a 50 cent,

Jay Ray: absolutely agree. And um, you know, there are, there are those times when I, when I listen to the new single body, which I really like

DJ Sir Daniel: another classic.

Jay Ray: it's another classic. It'll be to your point right back in the line dance genre. I think the video is solid. Um, I think she looks good. All of those things, right? The woman is talented.

Um, so I listen to songs like body and then I'm like, Ooh, Khia, I just wish, I just wish you would put the gavel down. Um, but you know what? The reality is Khia is not going to do that because she is going to do her and she's got, and, and. Despite that she's going to keep making joints.

[00:38:13] Navigating Controversies and Truth Telling
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DJ Sir Daniel: So then Jerry, so then the question is we, like I said, at the beginning of this episode, we're in this season, people are saying this is the season of truth telling, we've got everybody coming out ready to, you know, to drop all these bombs and, and reveal things that have happened with behind the scenes in this season of truth telling.

Is there a way that Kaia could, you know, present her brand of truth telling and still be Kaia? Would people be more accepting, do you think? Or is it she's just damned if she does and damned if she doesn't?

Jay Ray: You know what? I think if Kaia left behind some of the really low insults Hmm. the homophobic and transphobic. Stuff literally like these things just kind of get in the way. There's a, I think there is a way to tell the truth and be who you are and not hurt people.

DJ Sir Daniel: Hmm.

Jay Ray: You know what I'm saying? And I'm just speaking for me.

I don't know for the people that, you know, Kai is talking about child. She's probably banging the gavel on me right now. I am ma'am. I I'm, I'm just saying, but right.

Right. I'm just thinking that there is a way. To do it and get more looks with, if, if all of the, the stuff that hurt folks was kind of left out, right?

Cause it doesn't add anything to the discussion. It just makes people angry. And sometimes we need to be angry, but most of that stuff you were talking about, child, we don't need to get, we don't need a whole bunch of foolishness about that. So yeah. What about you? Do you think there's a way that she could do it?

And still be her.

DJ Sir Daniel: just think that in this, in this stage of the game, it may not even be worth it. It may just because it may just be. A thing that we're not expecting of her. Um, I, I do wonder, and I would wonder if she feels like she's not given an opportunity to speak. I mean, she takes her own opportunities and she uses her platforms to do it in her own way.

[00:40:56] The Complex Relationship with the LGBTQIA+ Community
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DJ Sir Daniel: But I think it has to be said that she talks mostly about her fan base. because her fan base is largely made up of the gay community and the trans community. You know, her songs are performed by drag queens, you know, again, DJs, you drop that, you know, you could drop a Khia song in the, in the gay club now, and the kids are still bought to it.

So it's, it's a really weird relationship. And I would love. You know, persona aside, just to like, to hear her, her side, her, you know, she's got, she's even got people from the community in her camp. You know, she's always had, as she likes to say, surrounded herself with punks. You know, she's always got people on her team from the community.

And I don't know. It's just a very, it's like you said, it's just a very curious case. Khia is a very curious person and I think that's part of her allure and part of what she, you know, and she knows that. And again, she, maybe she's been always been two steps ahead of us and knows that and is not trying to ruin that because she knows it.

So, I don't know, until the day comes when we are sitting across from Kaia and we get to have a heartfelt conversation with her, where it's no, there's no gavels, you know, she's ready to have her, um, her Oprah moment. You know, where she's ready to, you know, to have the soft lighting, we'll smear a little bit of mayonnaise on the screen and just, you know, she'll wear something very soft and demure.

And we can have that heart to heart moment with her to, you know, to get her to just address that, to find out the root of the brashness, the root of where the hurt comes from, you know, those types of things, because clearly there is some hurt behind. A lot of the comments and a lot of the, the discourse that she, um, participates in.

So, but as far as this episode is concerned, listeners, this is just J Ray. And I, this has been one conversation that we've had all the time is about God damn that damn Khia. Man, she is so We it's so weird. We love the hell out of her artistry and Want to love her. I think that's the frustrating part is we love the artistry and we also want to love her I think we want to you know, divify her yassify her as well, but she's definitely not I don't think she's not interested.

I don't think she's interested in it. And that's okay. Uh, I think that's okay. I think she's very much in the place of, I want to separate myself. When this all said and done, I would have stood on my own two in. 10 toes down standing on business being Khia in this game called the rap game

Jay Ray: I think you're absolutely right. Um, I think you are absolutely correct. 

[00:44:22] Separating Art from the Artist
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Jay Ray: I, you know what we can, um, Khia is definitely one of those artists where I'd have to separate, you know, art from the person, right? I don't do a, well, I could do that with her. There are some people where I'm like, no, like. Your art is who you are.

So I'm just going to take you out of the mix.

DJ Sir Daniel: right

Jay Ray: I still want to listen to Body by Khia, and I'm going to be okay with that. Um, and, um, also take her to task on the, the, the low blows, as Mark mentioned in the chat and also mentioning, of course, Azalea, right? So. Listen, I'm happy we Khia some love, cause in Hip Hop 50, I ain't hear nobody, maybe her name was, was mentioned.

I ain't hear it.

DJ Sir Daniel: I did see her name on the um at the ll's tour the what was it called the hip hop force tour and part of the the the stage design is a marquee that has The name scrolling of every hip hop artist that ever existed. And I did catch Khia's name up there. So there's that. So, yes,

Jay Ray: So

DJ Sir Daniel: we got it out of our system.

Jerry, we, we were

Jay Ray: we talked about Khia.

DJ Sir Daniel: Okay, good. And, and, and it was an, uh, it wasn't a bashing session either. We really just, we're so curious about her and we know you are too listening. So you get to live vicariously through us. We'll talk out loud for you. for you. I know that some people don't want to admit that they, they're Khia fans will admit it.

And, but there's a lot that comes along, a lot of conflict that comes along with being a Khia fan. And again, two things can be true at the same time. 

[00:46:15] Engaging with the Queue Points Community and Closing
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DJ Sir Daniel: And so, yeah, Jerry, let's let the people know how they can keep up in contact with Queue Points and subscribe to these dope ass newsletters that we, that you and I are putting out, man.

Jay Ray: Yo. So, by the way, one of the things we need to accompany in this show, we definitely need to include our favorite, because we talked about a couple of our, me and Serdenyo have the same favorite favorite, but there's other joints by Kaia that we love. So we need to get our playlist together of our Kaia joints and make sure that that's in the newsletter.

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DJ Sir Daniel: And on that note, J Ray, what do I always say in this life? You have a choice. You can either pick up the needle or you can let the Khia record play. I am DJ. So Daniel,

Jay Ray: I'm Jay Ray y'all.

DJ Sir Daniel: this is Queue Points podcast, dropping the needle on black music history. We will see you on the next go round. Peace.

Jay Ray: Peace.

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