TLC: Legacy, Money and Music Industry Lessons

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TLC: Legacy, Money and Music Industry Lessons

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Intro Theme

Setting the Stage: TLC Arrives

Sir Daniel: Greetings and welcome to another episode of Queue Points podcast.

I am DJ Sir Daniel.

Jay Ray: And my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government as Johnnie Ray Kornegay III. And Sir Daniel, we are about to give it up to one of the biggest girl groups of all time.

Sir Daniel: That's right. Earlier this month we celebrated the. 34th anniversary of, Ooooooohhh... On the TLC Tip came out in 1992, March of 1992. And Jay Ray, I can, I can tell you, I can vividly remember how I was shifted when I, I'm trying to remember if it was. BET. I really believe it was American music [00:01:00] makers hosted by Arnell Starr.

God rest his soul here in Atlanta. And I just be, remember seeing the Ain't Too Proud to Beg video and just being completely struck by how vibrant and colorful and animated these three young ladies were because you couldn't, you can tell they were grown, but you didn't know how grown. And they, first of all, they looked, they represented almost every shade

Jay Ray: Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: of black girl that there was.

They looked different, but they definitely melded together to form this super group that we know as TLC.

Jay Ray: Yeah. Um, TLC showing up on the T on the screen. So first and foremost, I think. Th it's important to recognize that at that time in 1992, there was kind of not, there was nothing else that sounded like what they were doing. So what [00:02:00] Dallas Austin had done is kind of almost created a wall of sounds. So you have all of these things happen. As musically, but then you have this little voice that is cutting through on top of all of that in left eye. Yo mic check 1, 2, 1, 2, you know that's coming in over this and you're like, is going on? And then you have left eye kind of introducing the group to us

Sir Daniel: Yep.

Jay Ray: of ways. And then you get TBOs who sounds like nothing I'd ever heard before. And then by the time you get to the hook and you hear chili, you are like, wait. So we got like a r and b girly and we got like this funk deep voice thing happening and we got this like rapper girl and they got condoms on like their glasses and doing a lot, and it was like beautiful and inspirational.[00:03:00]

Sir Daniel: So just, but you described, just reminded me of Spencer G. Remember Spencer Gifts back in the nineties?

Jay Ray: It

Sir Daniel: It was like

Jay Ray: on

Sir Daniel: on the television screen, it was like big floppy hats, big oversized, um, glasses. It was all the hi jinks that, um, young people like at my age, I was what, 16 when that came out and. It caught my attention because it had all of those hijinks in it, but at the same time, 1992, you know, I'm listening to a lot of underground rap on the, the local, uh, underground hip hop radio stations here in Atlanta.

And here, these three girls come because at this moment, uh, we've got our. Our staple, um, women groups, you know, salt and pepper is doing their thing at this point. They,

Jay Ray: out.

Sir Daniel: they, they've crossed over, um, you've got your Queen Latifah's lights, your monies, [00:04:00] all kind of in their lane doing their thing. But these guys, you're like, wait a minute, are they a rap group?

Are they a singing group? You know, what is this? And we were Babyface and la and Babyface decided to give us, give it to us all. But what I found so interesting was their backstory and finding out that they were, well, one by one they were discovered. You know, crystal Jones, who was, um, the actual originator of the group was holding auditions to create a girl group.

And, you know, um. Teon and Lisa were selected to be in this group, and the legends have it that around people knew Teon because she worked at, you know, the salon as a shampoo girl. And it reminds me of that time in Atlanta history where you were only separated by a person. They say six degrees,

Jay Ray: Mm-hmm.

"Ooooooohhh… On the TLC Tip" & LaFace 1.0

Sir Daniel: People were a [00:05:00] lot more accessible back then

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: this hair salon saw the likes of all the real, the real Housewives of Atlanta.

Before there were real Housewives of Atlanta women that had money, black women that had money and means and were, you know, getting their hair done.

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: so, which one of them was Pebbles? And we gotta give it up to Sister Perry, you know, for having.

Jay Ray: her.

Sir Daniel: You know, for having the insight and seeing something in these young ladies and putting them together, and it really did change the trajectory of how people.

Put together groups, the, the incorporating, because by this time, Mary j Blige was already Mary j Blige, but she was, she was a solo, but she had, she had married, you know, hip hop and R and BTLC came along and did the same thing and took it to another level and, um. For a group.

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: So I think that needs to be mentioned as well.

And the debut album still knocks to this day.

Jay Ray: Yes.

Sir Daniel: [00:06:00] What I, what's super interesting about the album and what I always notice is it's, there's a gang of samples, Jay Ray.

Jay Ray: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sir Daniel: Every song has like, um, a mountain of samples. And God, I don't know how they got any money back on it after all those samples, but it created a groundwork for them.

You had, it created a launching pad for, uh, Dallas, Austin. Of course, the relationship with Jermaine dup Dupre, who we know what Jermaine Dupree, his legacy is now. And of course LA and face and uh, Darrell.

Jay Ray: Oh,

Sir Daniel: What is

Jay Ray: Simmons.

Sir Daniel: Darryl Simmons?

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: album cemented them even further and had rappers and singers alike kind of wanted to work with all of these producers.

So, and we have TLC to thank for that.

Jay Ray: Yeah, and it's so interesting that you mention that, and this at, at the time, LaFace was still a, a new label. So by the

Sir Daniel: Yeah.

Jay Ray: Ooooooohhh... On the TLC Tip comes out, [00:07:00] we are in year two of kind of. LaFace. so this is still LaFace 1.0,

Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: included, and we talked about this. So y'all go and definitely check out our show that we did about pink,

Sir Daniel: Right.

Jay Ray: about some of the artists that you don't think about that were signed to LaFace Records. And we talked about LaFace 2.0 a lot in there, but you had groups like. Jermaine Jackson was on the face at the beginning. You have

Sir Daniel: Still wild,

Jay Ray: you have these and, and TLC right? That

Sir Daniel: right?

Jay Ray: up and Tony Braxton is, is, is coming. You know what I mean? So. This label in Atlanta is now redefining, uh, what's possible for, uh, hip hop, the sound of hip hop and what you can kind of do with it, as well as for girl groups. Now, I am curious, sir Daniel, 'cause we were having the conversation and I had forgotten about this, but you were like, oh, after. [00:08:00] uh, ain't too proud to beg comes out. You also remember that I've seen those girls before.

Sir Daniel: Right. So that's the funny thing about the music game. The music business aspect, and we mentioned Pebbles, um, taking. On Tebo and Left Eye because at this point, uh, crystal Jones left the group. She, she was no longer a part of the group, but PE Pebbles still wanted to do something with these two girls. And back then, if you were under the wing of a prof, uh, a professional singer, RB artist, who was already doing videos and whatnot, they took you everywhere

Jay Ray: Yes.

Sir Daniel: put, and they put you in the videos.

And I remember seeing. TBOs and left eye in Pebbles backyard video featuring salt and pepper.

Jay Ray: Yep.

Sir Daniel: And you can see they weren't, um, TBOs. [00:09:00] They, they didn't have the, um, all of the ooh and the T-L-C-T-L-C tip garb that they had on. They were very stripped back. Um, you know, uh, ponytails. The whole nine. So it was like, oh, wait a minute.

There they go. And at that point there was no Chile, 'cause Chile hadn't been found yet. And so I just remember seeing that.

1992 Girl Groups and Atlanta Bubbling Up

Sir Daniel: And another thing, Jay Ray, uh, did you know that a certain group, girl group out of New York that was dropping maybe a month or so after this, um,   Ooooooohhh... On the TLC Tip album was going to name themselves TLC.

Jay Ray: Ooh.

Sir Daniel: That would be Taj.

Jay Ray: Ah,

Sir Daniel: And Coco. Famously they tell the story about the fact that they almost were named TLC, but then of course, you know, or on the TLC, um, tip drops and word get back, gets back and they're like, oh, okay, we gotta go in another direction. Which is fine, which we're glad happened [00:10:00] because we like, we like SWV for them anyway,

Jay Ray: Yeah,

Sir Daniel: they.

And it's like, so we have, and think about it. We were so, we were so lucky in 1992. 19, y'all don't understand how blessed we were musically in 1992 to have all of this stuff coming at one time, music wise. And being in Atlanta, if you were in Atlanta at that moment, it was like, you could feel it. It was palpable.

The bubbling of something new happening here in this city, music wise.

Jay Ray: yeah. Um, I remember. Actually it was, it was, well this is a connection to TLC too. It was definitely all the organized noise production. And I think I've talked about this on the show before that attracted me to like, what is this place that I must go to? And I remember when I first got to Atlanta in, uh, 1997 was the first time I came to the city. um. Uh, my [00:11:00] friend, uh, Mitchell's sister who was living there at the time, uh, she's still there, actually. She was driving us around, but playing local radio. And I was literally listening like, who's that? And she's like, oh, that's witch doctor. Who's that? That's like so and so, and it was like, what? What is all of this sound? TLC helped to bring all of us from all over the place and be like, I want to go to Atlanta because this is able to happen in this spot. Um, and I and I, as we celebrate TLC, I think not only do they do all of these important things musically because we get, uh, their, their, uh, classic three, uh, with Ooooooohhh... On the TLC Tip and crazy, sexy cool and, and fan mail become like these, these forks in the road about what people can do. They also become poster children for, um, [00:12:00] here is how the music industry takes advantage of their artists.

Sir Daniel: Oh, yes.

Jay Ray: here is how, uh, you can take control of the narrative and take control of your money, quite frankly.

Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: and I think that's important. So I do want to talk about that in a second. But we can't not talk about, um, album one. We are, it's, it's colorful. Everything is color and, and, and, and, and all of this. And then we get album two and creep shows up and you're like, wait, okay. All right. This is sexy and beautiful. Which of course is not the original video. The original video

Sir Daniel: Oh my God, I can't believe, I can't remember. When you showed it to me, I was like, what is this?

Jay Ray: is this, honey? It was given very,

Sir Daniel: I was like, oh, somebody took a camcorder and, and recorded this, but, okay. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

Jay Ray: ahead. [00:13:00] But I, I want to honor the fact that these women. Even though they still had the same three components, were able to shift and, and, and mature. The mature. I'm

Sir Daniel: Yes.

Jay Ray: y'all, the sound in a way that still felt authentic to them and still took us in a new musical direction. Uh, 'cause crazy, sexy, cool, of course, sends them outta here as far as success.

Sir Daniel: Yeah, I think they're a testament to. Growth and redefining yourself as an artist,

Jay Ray: Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: as it as your life parallels your artistry. You know, like I said, when they first came out, they were grown, but they didn't look grown, grown, you know what I'm saying? They, it, I felt like they might've been, I could've seen them in high school along with me, which is, which a lot of people take to, um, [00:14:00] used to their advantage.

In entertainment because you always want to appear younger than you really are.

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: 'cause we're obsessed with youth. But anyway, um, what Crazy, sexy, cool allowed them to do to your point was to tap into their womanhood and show you Oh yes. Um, there's actually women underneath these baggy clothes.

Jay Ray: Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: 'cause we saw a peak of that in the, um, hat to the back video.

Jay Ray: Mm-hmm.

From Colorful Kids to Grown Women (CrazySexyCool Era)

Sir Daniel: Where they, where they actually take off their baggy clothes and people see, oh, they're, they, they're bodied underneath these, these big clothes. They're chiseled,

Jay Ray: Right.

Sir Daniel: know, uh, flat stomachs. They look, they're womanly.

Jay Ray: Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: I'm pretty certain that as, um. Because they were women, they were individuals, very powerful individuals felt like, you know what?

I'm ready to shed this. Let's do something new. And it worked to their advantage. Uh, fearlessness is a lesson that you learn from crazy, sexy, cool. Because [00:15:00] from what we got. In that first album, we weren't expecting this. You couldn't have told me that they would've gone in this direction for the second album.

And it worked to their, to their benefit. And I think that's a lesson, a lesson that TLC has taught is teaching, uh, artists to this day

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: growth and not being afraid to grow

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: and change.

Jay Ray: the, I absolutely agree. And I think the other lesson, and this is for new artist 'cause it still happens today, sir Daniel. And that's mind blowing to me. I get it. And I don't get it.

Sir Daniel: Mm.

Jay Ray: you must. Read them contracts, or if you don't understand legalese, you need to get somebody to sit with these contracts and read them.

So is absolutely a product of, uh, the old music industry.

Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: uh,

How Production Deals Work (Money & Margins 101)

Jay Ray: here's a quick, a quick lesson. I'm about to sound like left eye [00:16:00] for a second. The quick lesson is that this oftentimes. New artists would get signed to a production deal.

Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: So you would basically, if you were like talented and you wanted to like get put on in the music industry, some producer locally would find you, right, and be like, I'm going to work with you, so I am going to sign you to a production deal, so that then I could make songs for you and I could do all the things.

But also oftentimes what it gave them the ability to do was to shop you.

Sir Daniel: Right.

Jay Ray: Two record labels. Right? So you would, they would do the demo, they would do all this stuff, and then they would take you, they would take it out and they would, they would get you, would get the group signed, but the group themselves weren't signed.

The production company was signed. You were signed to the production company. So you've already now added a layer.[00:17:00]

Sir Daniel: Right.

Jay Ray: Um, so in TLC's case, of course, they were signed to Pepitone, which was Pebbles, uh, management company and her production company, Pepitone Signs with LaFace. LaFace is signed to Arista. You see how this thing trickles down and I'm sure there's like A BMG at the very top, like so there's lots of layers between where the money is coming in and T-L-C-T-L-C is

Sir Daniel: Yeah, it's like a flow chart. It's like a flow chart. Literally a flow chart. And I think the best way to describe it is that record labels are pretty much banks.

Jay Ray: yeah.

Sir Daniel: They're pretty much banks, and they, um, and they, what they do is they give out loans. They give out loans to. Like, to your point, to production companies and the production company is like, Hey, this is an asset that I have, like you would do if you're applying for a loan.

This is what I have. This is an asset that I have [00:18:00] that I think can, um, reproduce or grow the money that you're going to give me. So give me a chance here and I'll make this happen for you. Uh, if you give us this amount of money

Jay Ray: Yep.

Sir Daniel: and. But then, but what does the record label want? The bank wants full control over everything.

They wanna recoup, which is the most important word in in music industry history. They wanna recoup everything that they've invested

Jay Ray: Plus.

Sir Daniel: that production company, into those artists. Every single thing. It's like going to the hospital. If they give you a Tylenol, best believe there's gonna be a $500 Tylenol on on that invoice when you are billed at the end of your stay.

Jay Ray: Ooh.

Sir Daniel: And so. I, you know, like you said, I think that video of Lisa left eye breaking down. Do you wanna know how we became the number one selling group in the world and still and still remain, you know, broke.

Jay Ray: Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: how we do it. Get your [00:19:00] calculators out.

Jay Ray: Yep.

Sir Daniel: If you, if you are a professor or, uh, an, uh, an accounting professor, it doesn't necessarily have to be music, um, business oriented.

If you are an accounting professor, anyone that teaches about money and, uh, and the flow of money, uh, with respect to. Just, um, capitalism in general, that is the perfect example that you can give and make it a, make it a part of your syllabus. I'm telling you right now, get that clip and have it ready to roll in your classroom because it's still powerful to this day.

Jay Ray: Yep.

Sir Daniel: It's, it mimics what's happening to us right now

Jay Ray: Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: in this world

Jay Ray: Yeah,

Sir Daniel: we're trying to figure out. Why we have to pay $5 for a carton of eggs.

Jay Ray: exactly.

Sir Daniel: I see. What.

Jay Ray: Egg. Exactly. No, and I, so I,

Lessons on Contracts and Exploitation

Jay Ray: I think we examine the [00:20:00] career of TLC, so they're not only these, um. group that helped to, to, uh, expand the way, particularly black music and the pop charts interacted at the time. Right. They become this like really big group, the biggest girl group of all time, right? And, and, and the sound. But they also become, uh, uh, uh. A teacher of the business of music, because you do, us as the listeners do have to sit with how do these women that just sold all of these records that are literally playing out stadiums all over the world. You look at the digging on You video and I, that was, I think, the concert video and there's like thousands upon thousands of people that they are playing to you're like, oh my God, they are huge.

They must be rich. They were not rich. [00:21:00] Apparently it was $50,000 checks for each of them or something crazy. It was not a lot of money for what they were doing, you know,

Sir Daniel: Correct.

Jay Ray: and for, for, for black folks in music at the time. So they're not only, uh, important for the, the, the impact on music, but the impact on music business and how artists treated.

Sir Daniel: Are treated and also how they're perceived. Because what also happened is that. Then the individuals became, I don't wanna say they, they weren't parodies, but the mythology behind each. Each one of them had some type of looming, um. Aspect of their personal lives that became bigger than the actual music.

Like of course we are well familiar with, um, how Lisa's life [00:22:00] played out in front of us

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: from the, the Andre Rising incident to the way that she left the world.

Jay Ray: Yep.

Sir Daniel: You know, there's that. Then of course we have Teon who is experiencing.

Jay Ray: Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: Major, major, um, medical conditions, uh, unbeknownst to us, but then has to come out because it's literally killing her.

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: And then of course, we have Chili's personal life, which becomes fodder for everybody, every and every, everyone

Jay Ray: Yep.

Sir Daniel: in the music industry, in music industry, journalism. So not only are they a textbook lesson of. Uh, the, the business of music, but al also how the world wants their pound of flesh from you as well when it comes to your personal life and how your life doesn't, is no longer yours.

Jay Ray: Hmm.

Sir Daniel: Um, now I will give them, I, I want to say this, I want them to have this credit as well. Those three women. [00:23:00] Kind of took things, took matters into their own hands, which is a lot of time, which is what artists sometimes have to do. And you hear about old school artists taking to street methods to get some respect as well. that's how women have to make history is sometimes they literally have to pull out the hammer on you and say, nah.

Just, nah,

we're not doing this today.

Jay Ray: Um, I want to.

Honoring the Memory of Left Eye

Jay Ray: For us to spend, spend some time honoring, um, Lisa for a second, and honoring to your point, the fact that these women continued, that Teon and, and Chile Lee continued and, and wanted to make sure that they, they continued to honor the memory of Lisa.

So starting with Lisa, first and foremost. Who has such a, who not only of course, is a fascinating figure, [00:24:00] but also moved in the music industry in this really interesting way. So there's, there was almost the, the solo left eye record that was supposed to come from death row. There was like that whole thing. There was of course Chile. I'm sorry, left eye. Uh uh, um. Being the conduit for like other groups. So we have the rap group quo, uh, left

Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: played a part there. We

Sir Daniel: Illegal.

Jay Ray: we have illegal, and all of these groups, oh, it was illegal, not quo.

Sir Daniel: Yeah.

Jay Ray: but we have all of these groups that left eye is kind of like molding and helping to shepherd through. The industry in a lot of ways, but it's really behind the scenes. Like you don't know necessarily that she's doing it, but she's playing like this role of like, Hey, here's what I know. You are dope. Here's how we can make this thing happen. Um, I wanna honor. That beauty about her creativity. [00:25:00] Her creativity was not just rapping and doing all of this other stuff.

She wanted to create art in any way that it showed up. And what's interesting, I think about the music industry post, uh, left Eye's Passing, is we realized the impact that she played how black women were creating. her death, like we can definitely say, nah, this woman was like a special creation. Um, and she gave permission for women to show up in these different ways. So I just want to honor that for a second.

Sir Daniel: Yeah, she reminds me of like a Shakespearean character from, um, what is the, the Em, the EM character, the fairy light character in Midsummer Night's Dream that narrates the Midsummer Night's Dream. But she's everywhere

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: She's got a little, she's got, she's a little mischievous, but like you said, she's always ta She's talented.

And [00:26:00] creative. Yes. She brought those, um, those groups to the forefront.

Jay Ray: Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: let's not forget about her features. You know, the features are crazy. The that to this day, and my DJs know this, if you play Donald Jones. You know what's up and you

Jay Ray: better

Sir Daniel: play the left eye version. It's curtains for you. It's clipped for you if you don't play that version.

Um, every party I'm about to go, um, spin at a party. I'm probably gonna play, um, the Not Tonight remix from Lil Kim that's got a fantastic verse from left eye on it and the list goes on and she's just. Just, I mean, she truly was, like you said, art embodied and wanted to manifest that while she was here on this earth.

Remember the, don't forget the supernova,

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: um, uh, project that only came out overseas. You can get that some places. It's really, I think I have one of the 12 inches here.

Jay Ray: I have, I have, I have,

Sir Daniel: You have [00:27:00] super. Yeah. It is one of those things that like if you have it, you have it.

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: And yeah, we don't know. We, wow. Her full potential was unrecognized or well, not fully realized, I would say.

And then I think you also see how important she was to the group

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: the fact that the industry was like, okay, you've had enough time to grieve. We need to move on.

Jay Ray: is

Sir Daniel: But, which is crazy, but creatively. They, Tio, um, Teon and Shirley will tell you to this day, those things didn't take off those projects, didn't do what they were supposed to do because the main spice, the main ingredient to what we.

What we are that made us is no longer here. J it reminds me of that first time that they made an appearance after, um, Lisa's passing at that MTV award show and they literally couldn't say anything because that was the first time they came out on stage together as a [00:28:00] duo.

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: And it, they were visibly shaken because it was, it, it was like, oh my God, it's only two of us.

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: Imagine looking to your left or your right, hope, you know, thinking you're going to see your sister

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: they're not there. And they've been, they were, they had been through it. Um, by then they had all had their own personal beefs with each other and, but still that's a relationship. Family is family. Yeah.

Jay Ray: is family. And I think that's the big thing is despite the fact that basically Left Eye called them all out, we gonna all do solo projects and we go see who wins the thing. 'cause you know how Left Eye did her

Sir Daniel: Yeah. Very competitive spirit.

Jay Ray: Right. Yes. That was messy. Yes. These women were in a weird spot. And at the same time, that was their sister, like

Sir Daniel: Yeah.

Jay Ray: it's in the name,

Sir Daniel: Yeah.

Jay Ray: you know what I mean? There [00:29:00] is no TLC without the three of them. And so what I, I wanna give, uh, uh, TBAs and Chile credit for, there's always. the spirit of Lisa Left Eye Lopez is always in everything that they do.

So whenever they hit the stage, whenever they are somewhere, that spirit of Lisa is always part of the, the product because it is who TLC is. And, um. The industry will say a lot of stuff, um, about, you know, uh, impact post, uh, Lisa's passing. And I think what's most important is one, these women had already made history.

You can't take that away from them.

Sir Daniel: Can write there. Nope.

Jay Ray: can't underwrite it. It already happened and we in 2026 are sitting here still honoring that impact. And there's gonna be little girls that see that ain't too proud to beg video in [00:30:00] 2027. They're, they're six and this comes on their screen. They are literally going to do the same thing that we did in 1992 when we saw it because. That is still groundbreaking. There's nobody that looks like TLC today and there won't. You just can't recreate that. That was magic.

Sir Daniel: You cannot. I think we did a good job honoring them.

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Thank You & How To Support the Show

Jay Ray: Thank y'all so much for of course, hanging out with us, uh, as we honor TLC. It's Women's History Month. Y'all know how we do, we give it up for women 365 around here. We're just, you know, doing some special stuff for this particular month. But, uh, what you can do to support Queue Points wherever you are listening, wherever you are watching subscribe.

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Sir Daniel: We absolutely do. What do I say? Every week in this life, you have a choice. You can either pick up the needle or let the record play. I am DJ Sir Daniel.

Jay Ray: And my name is Jay Ray. All peace.

Sir Daniel: And this has been Queue Points podcast, dropping the needle on black music history. We will see you on the next go round and that's, ooh, on the Queue Points pie tip.

Jay Ray: I love that you did that. Peace, [00:32:00] y'all.

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